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NoPervertedJustice
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 Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:49 am Post subject: What do we know about Frank Fencepost? |
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I find his demise on PJ most intriguing.
I am a member of their forums and I spent some time last night looking for any reference to him or his busts and found nothing. A huge black hole.
Anyone have an idea why he isn't around anymore? What offense did he commit that was so bad AG felt he had to ban him? |
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PJ Buster
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:24 am Post subject: |
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There are numerous references.
If you are a visitor to PJ's site I would recommend first and foremost to go see there. Angry German explains on the forums. That's the best source.
Superpatriot.net's Monticello Forum Index -> Perverted-Justice.com Forums -> Perverted Justice - General Discussion -> The bloodletting continues... (Frank/TIG)
started Wed May 05, 2004
Others are cut-and-pasted from there plus more opinion including my own. For example, on 'stinkzone' I posted on May 5/04:
The mystery of the disappearance of Monday's bust, plus the sudden drop in total busts from 683 down to 621 has been answered.
Xavier did some house cleaning today. Should I say major fumigation. Frank Fencepost AKA Tattooed Indian Guy and EVERY ONE of his 62 "busts" have been removed from the PJ site. Should I say I told you so? I posted a chat log illustrating PJ cofounder Frank's frightening behavior from Feb 10/03 (Stinkzone post made Feb 25/04)
Of course his irrational anger against "busts" was praised. He even had a sort of sub-cult of followers there. He provided entertainment value - even some commenters admit to that on today's forum. But when Frank turned his anger on another PJ'er - a phone verifier and some other contributor this gets messy.
AG: "The situation is this, he is speaking to the Verifier he is dating about her contacting one of our (as of today, former) married forum members he is fucking."
So I think that means he was boinking two (2) PJ staff. Didn't Frank have a morbid fear of sex as I recall?
Anyhow, you can read for yourselves as long as Xavier keeps that thread up there. The jaws at PJ did a collective "thud". But not mine.
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And there's lots more.
ref: http://www.stinkzone.com/cgi-bin/archives/000010.html
ref: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=937413
ref: http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/index.cgi?okay=get_topic&topic_id=980851&page=0 |
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NoPervertedJustice
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PJ Buster
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Yes, 'relative moralism' is alive and well. We all do it to some degree. Our internal moral compass is not always 100% in synchronization with the average community standards - for even they are changing daily.
The problem comes when ONE individual, or a very small group of loyal followers dictate their moral relativist (extreme) views and dole them out as if they are the law. Evidence is scant. Punishment for transgressions is always maximum. |
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NoPervertedJustice
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by IAmAntiPJ
I went over to PJ's forum and read the whole thread. Those people are really, really messed up. I love the way all the responses to Angry German's post are 100% favorable -- as if he would allow any dissenting point of view. Christ, it almost reminds of the USSR in 1950: "Thank you, Comrade Stalin." "You are right, Comrade Stalin." "Excellent point, Comrade Stalin." "Quite correct, Comrade Stalin." |
| Quote: | What would you expect from a cult. Frank's the 2nd most prolific entraper in PJ's history. He accounted for 9% of the total "busts" work there. People hero-worshipped him there.
Now Xavier says "he's scum" and the lemmings all agree. "yeah. he's not quite right, I knew it all the time, good riddance, we don't need his kind around here - he not nice and he hurt people"...... Mirror, people, watch the mirror.
Back to praising Xavier Von Manson or Angry Koresh, take your pick. Kool Aid for the long trip ahead. Space ship leaving soon. See you at the gate.
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This is from fuckedcompany and while much of what goes on there is a little over the the top but sometimes some of the jerks can be insightful.
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PJ Buster
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| NoPervertedJustice wrote: | | This is from fuckedcompany and while much of what goes on there is a little over the the top but sometimes some of the jerks can be insightful. |
Doh! I resemble that remark. The second quote is my comment. FuckedCompany is Jerry Springerfest. Act accordingly. Even there I attempt to remain relatively civil. |
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mntc
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Actually I almost feel sorry for TIG - in his blog he says's he created a frankenstein - true and that AG knew his mother would see that ....
TIG could become an asset - I guess he is feeling pretty down in the dumps and with a healthy dose of righteous anger - his people turned on him - he is (to himself) PJ - the catalyst that started it. There is some truth in the possibilities on Stinkzone .
If anyone could reach out to him - help him recover - he might become "Saul to Paul" ....
Not being a member I over there I don't know hime but a little bit of christian kindness may produce results ???
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NoPervertedJustice
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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In the name of all that is holy. This from Frank Fencepost aka Tatood Indian Guy:
tattooed_indian_guy (7:03:24 PM): My mom is on the forum, and I called her and just completely collapsed. She read the whole thing.
The rest of you? Eat shit, traitors, and die. Half of you fucks talking shit, I brought you aboard, I trained you, I took you under my wing- I protected you, I guarded you, I took your shots. I stayed on the front line so you could hang back. You fucking cowards, you lemmings, you worthless sad sacks of shit- You traitors. If there's one thing in this world that I know, one concept I'm intimately familiar with, it's pain. I feel it every time I get tattooed, I inflict it on others every day for money, I KNOW PAIN... and so I know exactly how serious it is to say this... and I mean it when I say this... I HOPE YOU FEEL PAIN. I hope you know pain, I hope pain gets right up in your smarmy, white, middle-class faces and screams at you, keeps you awake at night, makes you see. I hope pain teaches you, as pain has taught me. And I hope, I sincerely hope, that each of you proves to be an apt pupil.
Fuck you. Fuck your race, fuck your creed, fuck your politics and your flag and your goddamned manifest destiny. Fuck you in your educated, pampered, money-havin' throats, and LIKE IT.
Setting the standard for mental stability at Perverted-Justice. I would have to say Frank knows exactly who AngryGerman is and maybe with a little prodding....
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| NoPervertedJustice wrote: | | I would have to say Frank knows exactly who AngryGerman is and maybe with a little prodding.... |
I already suggested that on FuckedCompany. Frank could destroy the place with one phone call. |
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VigilanteH8R
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| PJ Buster wrote: | | I already suggested that on FuckedCompany. Frank could destroy the place with one phone call. |
Def Buster if someone could get his contact info thatd be a major step for this site. I mean from reading the posts on PJ it seems hes also has had personal contact with Frag and RedBaroness so im sure hes got all of their info also (if not at least names). Does anyone have his contact info? If we can get that I think this site has a major chance of taking PJ down. |
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Does anyone have his contact info? If we can get that I think this site has a major chance of taking PJ down. |
Sorry, kids. Frank is still a pedo hater.
Contact info? Xavier (Angry German) has been on CNN, interviewed by Paula Zahn. So much for your claims of hidden identities.
Get over yourselves. PJ acts within the confines of the legal system. If they didn't, none of their busts could be used as evidence in a court of law.
Which, of course, has happened on many occaisons.
What are you all so afraid of, anyway? |
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NoPervertedJustice
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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What are you all so afraid of, anyway? |
The prospect of having someones civil rights violated by a nut case, such as yourself, for starters.
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NoPervertedJustice
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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What are you all so afraid of, anyway? |
People like you bring on the McMartin Day Care scandals for another. "The end justifies the means" which is your credo. I find it rather sickening.
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The prospect of having someones civil rights violated by a nut case, such as yourself, for starters. |
Yah, way to have a civilised discourse without name calling. Dodger, I thought you told me this was an "intelligent" crowd? Pffft.
What civil rights have been violated?
Why hasn't PJ had their ass sued off?
Why is PJ still operating?
Why are their busts STILL being used as evidence in real arrests, in real courts of law?
Try again, without the name calling. |
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Dodger
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Yah, way to have a civilised discourse without name calling. Dodger, I thought you told me this was an "intelligent" crowd? Pffft.
What civil rights have been violated?
Why hasn't PJ had their ass sued off?
Why is PJ still operating?
Why are their busts STILL being used as evidence in real arrests, in real courts of law?
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Ok... You have posted specific questions - Here are specific answers (I'm pretty sure you won't like them, as I feel you are an idiot. )
And to explain: My thoughts that you are an idiot is not "name-calling". It is my honest belief that you are an:
id·i·ot ( P )
n.
1. A foolish or stupid person.
2. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. (Dictionary definition)
Question 1 - Yes, I did say this was an intelligent crowd - Far more intelligent than you're used to over at PJ. I don't see alot of this crowd running through the forums like a 6 year old accusing people of being "liars" because they are stating their opinions on something.
Question 2 - You're kidding right? Posting all manner of personal information about someone before they've been proven guilty of anything in a court of law, and then inciting the membership to harrass them via any means possible until they "confess". I can't think of a better example of a violation of civil rights.
Question 3 - How does one go about suing an anonymous mob? Who do they name in the lawsuit? Do I serve the papers on "Pjbusterbuster"? "Angry German"? Most of the people you destroy do not have the financial means to bring a lawsuit, even if they COULD figure out who to sue. Your argument that they must be ok, because they haven't been sued yet is patently ridiculous. If I steal cars, but haven't been caught yet, does that mean that's it's ok to steal cars? Stating that something is legal, because they "haven't been sued yet" is a pretty obvious indication of your mental accuity. (Again, not name calling - My opinion of your mental accuity)
Question 4 - Please refer to the answer to question 3, PLUS - Possibly they are still operating because WE have only been here for just under a month. Unfortunately, it takes time to get bad things stopped when legal and moral methods are used to do it. Rather than go the immoral route in attempting to stop something (Which PJers have chosen to do), we are taking the high ground by educating and seeking assistance from legal entities and civil rights organizations. Sometimes, doing the right thing takes a little longer than doing it your way. (It doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't understand that) Don't misunderstand this though - What you see here on this very forum is a small part of the beginning of the attempt to have you stopped. Give it some time...
Question 5 - It amazes me that you people still spout this bullshit line even after it's been proven over and over to be just that... Bullshit... A conviction has NEVER, not ONCE been a direct result of a PJ "bust". The convictions have been made as a result of the TESTIMONY of someone who HAPPENED to be a PJer. Anyone can testify as a witness. If I see a crime being committed, it is my civic duty to testify. Same for you, and anyone else. The fact that someone who belongs to PJ witnessed what they though was a crime and testified in a court of law as to what they saw does not result in "PJ evidence being used" to convict someone.
What you are suggesting is that the legal system in North America would routinely use unverifiable evidence, taken by an anonymous person with questionable motives and use this as the only evidence to initiate a conviction - You leave out the fact that in these cases, the perpetrator was ALREADY a documented criminal, had committed other crimes, and was already under investigation by law enforcement.
Please understand - Most bright people are AWARE of why you do this - By leaving out pertinent information and simply stating "PJ busts have resulted in convictions" without giving any of the details, you are attempting to make it appear as though PJ as an "organization" was responsible for these convictions, which is simply not true. It is quite obvious that you do this in an attempt to justify your immoral behaviour. Anytime someone attempts to explain this, you immediately shout "Liar!"
Ok. Have I answered your questions to your satisfaction? (Not that it really matters. I really DO believe you are an idiot. And incidentally, I also agree with Zaphod - I honestly think you are a "nut-job" as well)
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